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		<title>By: brightfeather</title>
		<link>http://thistimethisspace.com/2007/07/22/dealing-with-defiant-children-in-public-places/#comment-304</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Children learn by repetition. They also learn through consistent role modeling. The earlier children learn that there are restrictions on behaviour in public places the better it is for them and for society as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children learn by repetition. They also learn through consistent role modeling. The earlier children learn that there are restrictions on behaviour in public places the better it is for them and for society as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin War</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points all round. Many parents today shirk their more unpleasant parental duties like discipline by taking the easy way out. Personally, permissive parenting or any other styles are fine. But we should never use them as an excuse to escape the realities of teaching our children the difference between right and wrong, good and bad behaviour, manners and so on. Bible says &quot;spare the rod and spoil the child&quot;, but with Man&#039;s advancement in sciences and other areas, many people today think that they know better. Oh, well, to each his own, I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points all round. Many parents today shirk their more unpleasant parental duties like discipline by taking the easy way out. Personally, permissive parenting or any other styles are fine. But we should never use them as an excuse to escape the realities of teaching our children the difference between right and wrong, good and bad behaviour, manners and so on. Bible says &#8220;spare the rod and spoil the child&#8221;, but with Man&#8217;s advancement in sciences and other areas, many people today think that they know better. Oh, well, to each his own, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: brightfeather</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your detailed personal reply. You&#039;re correct thinking that your comment will not change my zero tolerance policy.

I have experience as a caregiver and I&#039;m cognizant of the increasing numbers of children with a wide variety of behaviour problems that tend to become stressed out in public places.

While I appreciate the fact that most parents try to anticipate the triggering of behavioural outbursts and to avoid them, I do not buy into the &quot;cut them some slack&quot; thinking.  Once the outburst commences it&#039;s absolutely unacceptable to expect that others will stand around waiting for it to subside and will cheerfully look forward to waiting out the next child in lines &quot;melt-down&quot; too.

&quot;Melt-down&quot; behaviour is not tolerated in other indoor places of work and likewise  should be tolerated at outdoor  places of work like at Farmers&#039; Markets. Those who pay to be in a time limited spot to sell their products to willing customers are not required and do not desire to cope with &quot;melt-downs&quot;. Serving their customers is already enough to cope with.

Coping with a defiant or disturbed child&#039;s &quot;melt-down&quot; is a parental responsibility. It is not a &quot;village&quot; responsibility. It&#039;s neither in the best interests of the child nor of those trying to make a living to be compelled or coerced  into waiting out &quot;melt-downs&quot; in their place of work and the resulting loss of sales.

Children learn by repetition and an audience is what some appear to be seeking.  This is why I argue that waiting out socially unacceptable behaviour in public places is not in the best interests of society.

My policy is simple - if  a child is not behaving well in a public place then it&#039;s the responsibility of the parent or guardian to  remove the child and to deal with their issues.

If you don&#039;t agree with my policy then I suggest that we agree to disagree, without becoming disagreeable.

Best wishes to you and your child.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your detailed personal reply. You&#8217;re correct thinking that your comment will not change my zero tolerance policy.</p>
<p>I have experience as a caregiver and I&#8217;m cognizant of the increasing numbers of children with a wide variety of behaviour problems that tend to become stressed out in public places.</p>
<p>While I appreciate the fact that most parents try to anticipate the triggering of behavioural outbursts and to avoid them, I do not buy into the &#8220;cut them some slack&#8221; thinking.  Once the outburst commences it&#8217;s absolutely unacceptable to expect that others will stand around waiting for it to subside and will cheerfully look forward to waiting out the next child in lines &#8220;melt-down&#8221; too.</p>
<p>&#8220;Melt-down&#8221; behaviour is not tolerated in other indoor places of work and likewise  should be tolerated at outdoor  places of work like at Farmers&#8217; Markets. Those who pay to be in a time limited spot to sell their products to willing customers are not required and do not desire to cope with &#8220;melt-downs&#8221;. Serving their customers is already enough to cope with.</p>
<p>Coping with a defiant or disturbed child&#8217;s &#8220;melt-down&#8221; is a parental responsibility. It is not a &#8220;village&#8221; responsibility. It&#8217;s neither in the best interests of the child nor of those trying to make a living to be compelled or coerced  into waiting out &#8220;melt-downs&#8221; in their place of work and the resulting loss of sales.</p>
<p>Children learn by repetition and an audience is what some appear to be seeking.  This is why I argue that waiting out socially unacceptable behaviour in public places is not in the best interests of society.</p>
<p>My policy is simple &#8211; if  a child is not behaving well in a public place then it&#8217;s the responsibility of the parent or guardian to  remove the child and to deal with their issues.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t agree with my policy then I suggest that we agree to disagree, without becoming disagreeable.</p>
<p>Best wishes to you and your child.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that there are probably many parents out there that could do with parenting training.  But, in the past couple of years I have learned that it is impossible to know what a parent and a child might be going through at that time so I try my best not to judge.  My child is autistic* and has frequent meltdowns.  We try to anticipate them but it is impossible to prevent them at all times.  I wouldn&#039;t want this to happen at your booth (or any other booth or store, for that matter) and would be doing my best to control this situation. Parenting strategies for children with autism can be different depending on the child and what is happening.  Ignoring the meltdown is usually the quickest way for it to end.  My story might not change your policy on zero tolerance but I hope you&#039;ll think about it the next time you encounter a defiant child.  *One in 150 children are diagnosed with autism--there are no visible indications that a child has this disorder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there are probably many parents out there that could do with parenting training.  But, in the past couple of years I have learned that it is impossible to know what a parent and a child might be going through at that time so I try my best not to judge.  My child is autistic* and has frequent meltdowns.  We try to anticipate them but it is impossible to prevent them at all times.  I wouldn&#8217;t want this to happen at your booth (or any other booth or store, for that matter) and would be doing my best to control this situation. Parenting strategies for children with autism can be different depending on the child and what is happening.  Ignoring the meltdown is usually the quickest way for it to end.  My story might not change your policy on zero tolerance but I hope you&#8217;ll think about it the next time you encounter a defiant child.  *One in 150 children are diagnosed with autism&#8211;there are no visible indications that a child has this disorder.</p>
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